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	<title>Comments on: Facebook tosses graph privacy into the bin</title>
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	<description>Security Research, Computer Laboratory, University of Cambridge</description>
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		<title>By: Christian Mungle</title>
		<link>http://www.lightbluetouchpaper.org/2009/12/11/facebook-tosses-graph-privacy-into-the-bin/comment-page-1/#comment-115484</link>
		<dc:creator>Christian Mungle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 May 2011 09:47:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm it appears like your blog ate my first comment (it was extremely long) so I guess I&#039;ll just sum it up what I wrote and say, I&#039;m thoroughly enjoying your blog. I too am an aspiring blog writer but I&#039;m still new to everything. Do you have any tips for rookie blog writers? I&#039;d certainly appreciate it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm it appears like your blog ate my first comment (it was extremely long) so I guess I&#8217;ll just sum it up what I wrote and say, I&#8217;m thoroughly enjoying your blog. I too am an aspiring blog writer but I&#8217;m still new to everything. Do you have any tips for rookie blog writers? I&#8217;d certainly appreciate it.</p>
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		<title>By: Ahana</title>
		<link>http://www.lightbluetouchpaper.org/2009/12/11/facebook-tosses-graph-privacy-into-the-bin/comment-page-1/#comment-52907</link>
		<dc:creator>Ahana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Mar 2010 04:27:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is no privacy on facebook no matter which permutation and combination you work on - simple tip -keep your special friends special and e-mail them personally , put the rest on facebook and stop cribbing when the world knows about them . If you come up with a really solid formulla for privacy on these sites ,share it with 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is no privacy on facebook no matter which permutation and combination you work on &#8211; simple tip -keep your special friends special and e-mail them personally , put the rest on facebook and stop cribbing when the world knows about them . If you come up with a really solid formulla for privacy on these sites ,share it with<br />
all.</p>
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		<title>By: carton</title>
		<link>http://www.lightbluetouchpaper.org/2009/12/11/facebook-tosses-graph-privacy-into-the-bin/comment-page-1/#comment-44286</link>
		<dc:creator>carton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 23:55:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, there is nothing new in the link you&#039;ve posted.  It&#039;s just a description of the same partial feature this blog describes.  Your friends list is still visible to apps and FQL.

Also, if you request someone to be your friend but they do not accept your request, you can see in your news feed every time that person who is not your friend acquires a new friend even though you cannot see their list of friends directly.  The information is not being protected in any remotely thorough way just because you click on the pencil.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, there is nothing new in the link you&#8217;ve posted.  It&#8217;s just a description of the same partial feature this blog describes.  Your friends list is still visible to apps and FQL.</p>
<p>Also, if you request someone to be your friend but they do not accept your request, you can see in your news feed every time that person who is not your friend acquires a new friend even though you cannot see their list of friends directly.  The information is not being protected in any remotely thorough way just because you click on the pencil.</p>
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		<title>By: Filipe</title>
		<link>http://www.lightbluetouchpaper.org/2009/12/11/facebook-tosses-graph-privacy-into-the-bin/comment-page-1/#comment-42688</link>
		<dc:creator>Filipe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Dec 2009 16:11:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>According with the post of the link below FB add the option to hide the social graph... 

http://www.v3.co.uk/v3/news/2254935/facebook-backs-privacy-spat

Anyone already tested it?

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>According with the post of the link below FB add the option to hide the social graph&#8230; </p>
<p><a href="http://www.v3.co.uk/v3/news/2254935/facebook-backs-privacy-spat" rel="nofollow">http://www.v3.co.uk/v3/news/2254935/facebook-backs-privacy-spat</a></p>
<p>Anyone already tested it?</p>
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		<title>By: giraa2</title>
		<link>http://www.lightbluetouchpaper.org/2009/12/11/facebook-tosses-graph-privacy-into-the-bin/comment-page-1/#comment-41569</link>
		<dc:creator>giraa2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Dec 2009 05:11:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FB profiles have never been private at all! You can easily access &quot;private&quot; photos of non-friend people using a brute force attack (privacystalker.blogspot.com) no matter your profile privacy settings, whether you have the old setup or the new one! FB should be as open as twitter!! after all your information is not longer private once you have uploaded it to the internet...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FB profiles have never been private at all! You can easily access &#8220;private&#8221; photos of non-friend people using a brute force attack (privacystalker.blogspot.com) no matter your profile privacy settings, whether you have the old setup or the new one! FB should be as open as twitter!! after all your information is not longer private once you have uploaded it to the internet&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Cottrell</title>
		<link>http://www.lightbluetouchpaper.org/2009/12/11/facebook-tosses-graph-privacy-into-the-bin/comment-page-1/#comment-41483</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Cottrell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Dec 2009 00:46:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As an average user, I don&#039;t know why someone would dig to find my friend list.  I don&#039;t want it put in my front window, however.  Account Deleted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As an average user, I don&#8217;t know why someone would dig to find my friend list.  I don&#8217;t want it put in my front window, however.  Account Deleted.</p>
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		<title>By: Logical Extremes</title>
		<link>http://www.lightbluetouchpaper.org/2009/12/11/facebook-tosses-graph-privacy-into-the-bin/comment-page-1/#comment-41441</link>
		<dc:creator>Logical Extremes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 15:35:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Michael, that&#039;s exactly why many people disable apps. Also, there have historically been controls to block all non-public information going to apps. Name and Networks used to be the only public information, now public information includes name, profile photo, list of friends, pages you are a fan of, gender, networks to which you belong, and current city.

BTW, despite the update noted at the end of the post, your social graph is STILL public and STILL available to applications.

The cynic in me wonders how much of it is commercially motivated, or whether there&#039;s an element of legally making more information available to government without any due process getting in the way. Call me paranoid, but also ask a Facebook officer a direct question about that and see if you get a definitive public statement one way or the other.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Michael, that&#8217;s exactly why many people disable apps. Also, there have historically been controls to block all non-public information going to apps. Name and Networks used to be the only public information, now public information includes name, profile photo, list of friends, pages you are a fan of, gender, networks to which you belong, and current city.</p>
<p>BTW, despite the update noted at the end of the post, your social graph is STILL public and STILL available to applications.</p>
<p>The cynic in me wonders how much of it is commercially motivated, or whether there&#8217;s an element of legally making more information available to government without any due process getting in the way. Call me paranoid, but also ask a Facebook officer a direct question about that and see if you get a definitive public statement one way or the other.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Lefevre</title>
		<link>http://www.lightbluetouchpaper.org/2009/12/11/facebook-tosses-graph-privacy-into-the-bin/comment-page-1/#comment-41436</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Lefevre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 14:35:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As Harry P notes, much of this argument and Facebook &quot;backing down&quot; is a lot of fuss over the least significant change.

It is and always was possible for anyone to see people&#039;s friends lists via applications, so anyone who wanted to find who your friends were could do so without much effort (of course most people don&#039;t know how, but it&#039;s possible to find out with 2 minutes on Google).

Facebook were going to make it clear to people that this information was public, and show it to everyone rather than only the people that knew how to find it.  In backing down, all they&#039;ve done is made things less clear again, and lots of people are happy with that because they believe that the information is private when it isn&#039;t, and wasn&#039;t before.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As Harry P notes, much of this argument and Facebook &#8220;backing down&#8221; is a lot of fuss over the least significant change.</p>
<p>It is and always was possible for anyone to see people&#8217;s friends lists via applications, so anyone who wanted to find who your friends were could do so without much effort (of course most people don&#8217;t know how, but it&#8217;s possible to find out with 2 minutes on Google).</p>
<p>Facebook were going to make it clear to people that this information was public, and show it to everyone rather than only the people that knew how to find it.  In backing down, all they&#8217;ve done is made things less clear again, and lots of people are happy with that because they believe that the information is private when it isn&#8217;t, and wasn&#8217;t before.</p>
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		<title>By: Harry P</title>
		<link>http://www.lightbluetouchpaper.org/2009/12/11/facebook-tosses-graph-privacy-into-the-bin/comment-page-1/#comment-41428</link>
		<dc:creator>Harry P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 13:29:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>one major problem still remains: any of your friends&#039; applications can access all sorts of info about you.  noted at the end of the ACLU doc:
http://dotrights.org/what-does-facebooks-privacy-transition-mean-you

&quot;Previously, even if you opted into sharing data with applications, you could uncheck all of the boxes on the page and the only information you would still be sharing was your name, your networks and your list of friends.  Now, even if you uncheck all the boxes, an application one of your friends runs will be able to access your name, your profile picture, your gender, your current city, your networks, your friend list and the pages you are a fan of.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>one major problem still remains: any of your friends&#8217; applications can access all sorts of info about you.  noted at the end of the ACLU doc:<br />
<a href="http://dotrights.org/what-does-facebooks-privacy-transition-mean-you" rel="nofollow">http://dotrights.org/what-does-facebooks-privacy-transition-mean-you</a></p>
<p>&#8220;Previously, even if you opted into sharing data with applications, you could uncheck all of the boxes on the page and the only information you would still be sharing was your name, your networks and your list of friends.  Now, even if you uncheck all the boxes, an application one of your friends runs will be able to access your name, your profile picture, your gender, your current city, your networks, your friend list and the pages you are a fan of.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph Bonneau</title>
		<link>http://www.lightbluetouchpaper.org/2009/12/11/facebook-tosses-graph-privacy-into-the-bin/comment-page-1/#comment-41415</link>
		<dc:creator>Joseph Bonneau</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 12:16:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Mark P: You&#039;re not blind, hiding your friend list isn&#039;t in the privacy settings at all, if you view your own profile though there is a pencil icon in the upper right corner of the box where your friends are. When you click on this you get some options including removing it from your profile. Certainly not designed to be easy to find!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Mark P: You&#8217;re not blind, hiding your friend list isn&#8217;t in the privacy settings at all, if you view your own profile though there is a pencil icon in the upper right corner of the box where your friends are. When you click on this you get some options including removing it from your profile. Certainly not designed to be easy to find!</p>
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