Comments on: Opting out of the NHS Database http://www.lightbluetouchpaper.org/2006/11/01/opting-out-of-the-nhs-database/ Security Research, Computer Laboratory, University of Cambridge Sun, 06 Jul 2008 12:13:35 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: Jack Gibson http://www.lightbluetouchpaper.org/2006/11/01/opting-out-of-the-nhs-database/#comment-29134 Jack Gibson Thu, 08 May 2008 17:26:43 +0000 http://www.lightbluetouchpaper.org/2006/11/01/opting-out-of-the-nhs-database/#comment-29134 Why is everyone shocked? All things have purpose. The purpose of the state is management - the undeviating control of each and every aspect of our lives. And of course Ian is right - powerful people aren't at risk, but they don't use the NHS anyway. So who actually cares? No-one. While doctors peddle the ideology of a 'caring' profession because it ensures control and keeps us off-guard history reveals they have always been a willing instrument of state interference, prone to moral stands only where professional interests are endangered. So now we do as we are told or face removal from patient lists. This is wrong. Doctors have no right to play god - morally at least - and certainly not when the taxpayer paid for their education. They should be reminded what it's like to need the services of a medical professional. If they choose to hold a gun to our heads, maybe things won't alter until a pattern of holding one to theirs develops across the country. Until then by all means continue your futile 'debate'. Why is everyone shocked? All things have purpose. The purpose of the state is management - the undeviating control of each and every aspect of our lives. And of course Ian is right - powerful people aren’t at risk, but they don’t use the NHS anyway.

So who actually cares? No-one. While doctors peddle the ideology of a ‘caring’ profession because it ensures control and keeps us off-guard history reveals they have always been a willing instrument of state interference, prone to moral stands only where professional interests are endangered.

So now we do as we are told or face removal from patient lists. This is wrong. Doctors have no right to play god - morally at least - and certainly not when the taxpayer paid for their education. They should be reminded what it’s like to need the services of a medical professional. If they choose to hold a gun to our heads, maybe things won’t alter until a pattern of holding one to theirs develops across the country.

Until then by all means continue your futile ‘debate’.

]]> By: Ross Anderson http://www.lightbluetouchpaper.org/2006/11/01/opting-out-of-the-nhs-database/#comment-29116 Ross Anderson Thu, 01 May 2008 17:41:14 +0000 http://www.lightbluetouchpaper.org/2006/11/01/opting-out-of-the-nhs-database/#comment-29116 This is shocking but not surprising. I'd suggest you post about this to the <a href="http://forum.no2id.net/viewforum.php?f=58" rel="nofollow">No2ID NHS blog</a> - that seems to be the most active forum on UK health privacy issues right now This is shocking but not surprising.

I’d suggest you post about this to the No2ID NHS blog - that seems to be the most active forum on UK health privacy issues right now

]]> By: Phil Randome http://www.lightbluetouchpaper.org/2006/11/01/opting-out-of-the-nhs-database/#comment-29114 Phil Randome Thu, 01 May 2008 12:15:09 +0000 http://www.lightbluetouchpaper.org/2006/11/01/opting-out-of-the-nhs-database/#comment-29114 I've received 2 letters & sample kit from Cancer Screening Programme in Nottingham 'cos I was 60 recently. I live in Herts. Despite writing to my GP & completing a special pro forma my name,address,DOB & phone # has been uploaded to the NHS Spine mainframe. Hence the test kit. I'm also convinced that hospital treatment records are being submitted as well. How can I (we) stop this ? In Dec 2006 I was sceptical about the procedure whereby one could prevent medical details being gathered for the Spine that's why I notified the GP of a false change of address & telephone #. I use a Poste Restante address. Do hospital records go directly to Spine effectively bypassing the GP Practice ? Is this how patient's wishes are being kicked into the long grass ? Has anyone any answers 'cos anyone and everyone in my surgery & nhs trust clams up when I start asking questions. I’ve received 2 letters & sample kit from Cancer Screening Programme in Nottingham ‘cos I was 60 recently. I live in Herts. Despite writing to my GP & completing a special pro forma my name,address,DOB & phone # has been uploaded to the NHS Spine mainframe. Hence the test kit. I’m also convinced that hospital treatment records are being submitted as well. How can I (we) stop this ? In Dec 2006 I was sceptical about the procedure whereby one could prevent medical details being gathered for the Spine that’s why I notified the GP of a false change of address & telephone #. I use a Poste Restante address.
Do hospital records go directly to Spine effectively bypassing the GP Practice ? Is this how patient’s wishes are being kicked into the long grass ? Has anyone any answers ‘cos anyone and everyone in my surgery & nhs trust clams up when I start asking questions.

]]> By: christina http://www.lightbluetouchpaper.org/2006/11/01/opting-out-of-the-nhs-database/#comment-28671 christina Mon, 31 Mar 2008 14:23:24 +0000 http://www.lightbluetouchpaper.org/2006/11/01/opting-out-of-the-nhs-database/#comment-28671 i think people should be allowed a privat life as long as it does not interfear with work or others i think people should be allowed a privat life as long as it does not interfear with work or others

]]> By: Richard Clayton http://www.lightbluetouchpaper.org/2006/11/01/opting-out-of-the-nhs-database/#comment-27570 Richard Clayton Thu, 10 Jan 2008 20:09:17 +0000 http://www.lightbluetouchpaper.org/2006/11/01/opting-out-of-the-nhs-database/#comment-27570 @Jo <i>Anybody know who you should write to to opt out of the SUS?</i> your GP, see the first comment ! For lots more info, see http://www.nhsconfidentiality.org @Jo

Anybody know who you should write to to opt out of the SUS?

your GP, see the first comment !

For lots more info, see http://www.nhsconfidentiality.org

]]> By: Jo http://www.lightbluetouchpaper.org/2006/11/01/opting-out-of-the-nhs-database/#comment-27569 Jo Thu, 10 Jan 2008 18:51:56 +0000 http://www.lightbluetouchpaper.org/2006/11/01/opting-out-of-the-nhs-database/#comment-27569 Anybody know who you should write to to opt out of the SUS? Anybody know who you should write to to opt out of the SUS?

]]> By: Dan http://www.lightbluetouchpaper.org/2006/11/01/opting-out-of-the-nhs-database/#comment-21112 Dan Sat, 24 Mar 2007 21:25:39 +0000 http://www.lightbluetouchpaper.org/2006/11/01/opting-out-of-the-nhs-database/#comment-21112 Debra, opting out of the database will not jeopardising your access to the NHS services; any NHS professional would not agree to such a move! I know of many NHS professionals who are unhappy with this database and its ramifications for patient confidentiality and the patient-doctor relationship. Debra, opting out of the database will not jeopardising your access to the NHS services; any NHS professional would not agree to such a move!
I know of many NHS professionals who are unhappy with this database and its ramifications for patient confidentiality and the patient-doctor relationship.

]]> By: debra http://www.lightbluetouchpaper.org/2006/11/01/opting-out-of-the-nhs-database/#comment-17904 debra Thu, 08 Mar 2007 10:40:08 +0000 http://www.lightbluetouchpaper.org/2006/11/01/opting-out-of-the-nhs-database/#comment-17904 I have read the Big Opt out letter and printed off a copy to hand in to my GP but I don't really understand the full ramifications of what I am going to do...does it depend on individual GP surgeries? It seems a good thing to opt out but I am confused and a little intimidated by the possibility of jeopardising my access to the NHS! Can someone talk me through it..you can be as patronising as you want but be clear please! I have read the Big Opt out letter and printed off a copy to hand in to my GP but I don’t really understand the full ramifications of what I am going to do…does it depend on individual GP surgeries? It seems a good thing to opt out but I am confused and a little intimidated by the possibility of jeopardising my access to the NHS! Can someone talk me through it..you can be as patronising as you want but be clear please!

]]> By: Rosie http://www.lightbluetouchpaper.org/2006/11/01/opting-out-of-the-nhs-database/#comment-13027 Rosie Fri, 12 Jan 2007 14:47:02 +0000 http://www.lightbluetouchpaper.org/2006/11/01/opting-out-of-the-nhs-database/#comment-13027 Have used your comments and constructed my own version of the opt out letter. Have forwarded a copy of this to James Eldon-Baker for someone to vet so that my ignorance is not too obvious. Was delighted, not only to find this site, (thanks to a small article in our local Argus the one day I bought it!) but all the information it contains really is helpful. Haven't finsished reading it all yet as there is so much. So a really big THANK YOU. Have used your comments and constructed my own version of the opt out letter. Have forwarded a copy of this to James Eldon-Baker for someone to vet so that my ignorance is not too obvious.

Was delighted, not only to find this site, (thanks to a small article in our local Argus the one day I bought it!) but all the information it contains really is helpful. Haven’t finsished reading it all yet as there is so much.

So a really big THANK YOU.

]]> By: Charles Torkington http://www.lightbluetouchpaper.org/2006/11/01/opting-out-of-the-nhs-database/#comment-12691 Charles Torkington Sun, 07 Jan 2007 00:01:21 +0000 http://www.lightbluetouchpaper.org/2006/11/01/opting-out-of-the-nhs-database/#comment-12691 One EMP and the whole NHS dabacle over this will be solved. One EMP and the whole NHS dabacle over this will be solved.

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