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	<title>Comments on: Powers, Powers, and yet more Powers &#8230;</title>
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	<description>Security Research, Computer Laboratory, University of Cambridge</description>
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		<title>By: giafly</title>
		<link>http://www.lightbluetouchpaper.org/2006/07/22/powers-powers-and-yet-more-powers/#comment-880</link>
		<dc:creator>giafly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Jul 2006 13:35:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are actually many loopholes in &lt;a href="http://www.opsi.gov.uk/si/si2003/20032426.htm" rel="nofollow"&gt;The Privacy and Electronic Communications (EC Directive) Regulations 2003&lt;/a&gt;

Only direct marketing is covered, not marketing in the guise of research. "Have you ever considered buying XXXX? Would YYYY be a good price?".
Existing "customers" are not covered, so when Amazon spammed me they were quite safe
Unsubscribe can be made slow, difficult and risky (e.g. requiring you to select low security settings and follow a link from the email - see "2")
Charities and Political Parties are not covered
B2B is not covered
Non-UK spammers are not covered.

I raised most of these issues before the bill was passed, so they are hardly new - giafly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are actually many loopholes in <a href="http://www.opsi.gov.uk/si/si2003/20032426.htm" rel="nofollow">The Privacy and Electronic Communications (EC Directive) Regulations 2003</a></p>
<p>Only direct marketing is covered, not marketing in the guise of research. &#8220;Have you ever considered buying XXXX? Would YYYY be a good price?&#8221;.<br />
Existing &#8220;customers&#8221; are not covered, so when Amazon spammed me they were quite safe<br />
Unsubscribe can be made slow, difficult and risky (e.g. requiring you to select low security settings and follow a link from the email - see &#8220;2&#8243;)<br />
Charities and Political Parties are not covered<br />
B2B is not covered<br />
Non-UK spammers are not covered.</p>
<p>I raised most of these issues before the bill was passed, so they are hardly new - giafly.</p>
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		<title>By: Clive Robinson</title>
		<link>http://www.lightbluetouchpaper.org/2006/07/22/powers-powers-and-yet-more-powers/#comment-802</link>
		<dc:creator>Clive Robinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Jul 2006 09:44:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a number of issues with the proposals, apart from the fact that they are ill thought out.

1, The use of a civil court means that a defendent has no right to assistance in fighting the state. 

An example of this sort of missuse was the dangerous dogs act which had both criminal and civil asspects. The Police on a number of occasions failed to get convictions using the criminal side as legal aid was granted to the defendents, so the Police switched instead to using the civil procedings. In more than one example there was only the Police Officers word that the dog was dangerous, and no other evidence was pressented.

2, The equipment seizier asppects, in what constitutes computer equipment.

An example goes back to the 1980's and Pirate Radio. When a studio site was raided the authorities took all electronic equipment, even if it was not related to the pirate station. On one occasion a medium wave station used woodland next to a playing  field. The authorities siezed push bikes of children playing football in the area.

3, What constitutes the use of the Internet.

In the modern world you would find it almost impossible to survive without using some form of electronic communications, and this is going to be increesingly the case as time goes on. In the case of Kevin Mitnick for instance he was not allowed to use even a phone for some considerable period of time. A lot of manual workers cannot work without the use of a phone, even shop assistants and factory workers these days get shift changes made  at the drop of a hat and need to phone a very short period of time before their shift is due to start to find out if they are actually working.

I could go on at length about all the asspects of the proposals but you get the generall idea, the ability for the state to commit abuse against the individual is almost endless with these proposals</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a number of issues with the proposals, apart from the fact that they are ill thought out.</p>
<p>1, The use of a civil court means that a defendent has no right to assistance in fighting the state. </p>
<p>An example of this sort of missuse was the dangerous dogs act which had both criminal and civil asspects. The Police on a number of occasions failed to get convictions using the criminal side as legal aid was granted to the defendents, so the Police switched instead to using the civil procedings. In more than one example there was only the Police Officers word that the dog was dangerous, and no other evidence was pressented.</p>
<p>2, The equipment seizier asppects, in what constitutes computer equipment.</p>
<p>An example goes back to the 1980&#8217;s and Pirate Radio. When a studio site was raided the authorities took all electronic equipment, even if it was not related to the pirate station. On one occasion a medium wave station used woodland next to a playing  field. The authorities siezed push bikes of children playing football in the area.</p>
<p>3, What constitutes the use of the Internet.</p>
<p>In the modern world you would find it almost impossible to survive without using some form of electronic communications, and this is going to be increesingly the case as time goes on. In the case of Kevin Mitnick for instance he was not allowed to use even a phone for some considerable period of time. A lot of manual workers cannot work without the use of a phone, even shop assistants and factory workers these days get shift changes made  at the drop of a hat and need to phone a very short period of time before their shift is due to start to find out if they are actually working.</p>
<p>I could go on at length about all the asspects of the proposals but you get the generall idea, the ability for the state to commit abuse against the individual is almost endless with these proposals</p>
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